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| Fogle |
Aug 21 2005, 11:00 AM
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![]() Bloomin' ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 214 Joined: 17-June 04 From: Utrecht, the Netherlands Member No.: 1,587 |
Fogle’s guide to making (a sort of) Laudanum
(A step by step pictorial) Part 1 Introduction: Real Laudanum was made with opium and many other ingredients. Among which were henbane, nutmeg and lots of others. My type of Laudanum is actually an alcoholic extract of concentrated poppy tea. That is why I wouldn’t label my bottles Laudanum but the made up name: Laudrum. There are numerous ways to make such a concoction. I don’t claim mine is the best or even any good. But the result of the following is a nice tasting liqueur with a good opiate buzz. And the best thing: no chemicals or fancy equipment needed. The pictures are actually of two batches being made. You can see that several of the steps take place at the same time. So don’t get confused by this! To make two litres of Laudrum you need: Ingredients: 1) dried poppies (ca. 2.3 kg with seeds = 1.0 kg without the seeds) 2) alcohol (1 litre 80%) 3) aniseed, star anise and/or fennel 4) sugar and dextrose (=glucose) 5) water Materials: 1) several big pans 2) filter cloth (old t-shirt) 3) several plastic buckets 4) several glass jars 5) stove 6) water bath 7) some cutlery, spatula’s etc (do ask you SO!) 8) 50ml syringe or turkey blaster (optional) 1, Poppies: This is my recipe and I don’t buy poppies. I grow poppies. So get some seeds, find a deserted plot somewhere in suburbia, and spread them. By the middle of June till July your poppies will look like this: ![]() somniferums come in several pretty colours ![]() Now you can either harvest them now and dry them at home, or let them dry in the field. They will be dry about one month after they bloomed. But beware: heavy rainfall will flush all goodies from your pods. Now you have dried poppies. ![]() ![]() the ones with stems were dried in the field while the others were harvested green and fresh Crush them. Separate the seeds from the straw by using a kitchen sieve. Use the seeds for food or next years harvest. You can use a blender to make the straw even finer. But you don’t want it to be too powdery as this will make it harder to filter in a later step. this is about the coarseness you need 2, Alcohol: Americans can use Ever-Clear. I use 80% Stroh Rum. The rum is mixed with activated charcoal, from the fish-pond-store, and left for a week or so. The rum should be clear and colourless after this, with no smell other than that of alcohol. This I call “reclaimed rum”. 3, and on: “Look around and thou wilt find” Okay now we have everything we need. Let’s get started. Step 1, Get a pan that holds your poppies, maybe 10 litres. Or get several pans. Put your poppy straw (1kg) in the pan(s) and cover with water (about 7 litres). Bring to a boil and let simmer for 30 minutes max. ![]() ![]() these bits are pretty coarse, smaller would be better End of part 1 -------------------- ...a warm itch that will surge along the spine until it hits the brain in a gentle explosion... ...and everything takes on the rosy hue of unlimited succes; you can do nothing wrong; life is beautiful...
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| Fogle |
Aug 21 2005, 11:02 AM
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![]() Bloomin' ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 214 Joined: 17-June 04 From: Utrecht, the Netherlands Member No.: 1,587 |
Part 2
Step 2, Pull the filter cloth over a bucket and secure with a sting. ![]() filtration setup Careful pour the water from the pan into the bucket. Like straining boiled potatoes, leave as much poppies in the pan as possible. You will get 3 litres of water in the bucket. ![]() this step will take ages if you made your poppy straw into a very fine powder ![]() left: extract nr 1, right: mushy poppies Step 3, Add as much fresh water to the pan as you strained off. In this case it is 3 litres. Bring to a simmer and leave for another 30 min. Strain again. ![]() Step 4, Repeat step 3. Now we have done three extraction which gave us about 8 litres of extract. And brown mushy poppies. Throw away the poppies. ![]() extract and worthless poppies Step 5, This is going to be tricky. The problem is this: we have a lot of water to evaporate. Water boils at a temperature at which morphine becomes instable. What chemical reaction takes place at these temps is a mystery to me, but it is no good. A temperature of 85 °C seems to be a safe upper limit. But at 85 oC water takes ages to evaporate. Tests -done by me- have shown that M doesn’t rot away immediately at 100 °C, it takes time. So we can boil this water off as long as we do it fast! My solution is to do relative small portions at a time. With a fan blowing dry air over the boiling pots, effectively cooling the solution to almost sub boiling temps by evaporation of…. water. This way no part of the extract is exposed to boiling temps for more than 15 minutes or so. Use large shallow pans, maybe the lids of pans. Don’t let the extract get to thick. If it gets too thick, there is very little water left, so it can easily get too hot, ruining you alkaloids. You have got to stop boiling while you can still pour the extract as a liquid. For reference: you should have about 1 to 2 litres left. I am sure there must be much better ways to get water out of an extract. But this one is simple, only requires kitchen stuff, and a day off work. Maybe the handier types of folk would construct a vacuum rotation film evaporator of cause, which can evaporate at lower temp and with greater speed… ![]() use a broad, shallow pan, or a lid of a pan in this case ![]() a second batch is being made in the back ![]() all batches boiling in, simultaneous End of part 2 -------------------- ...a warm itch that will surge along the spine until it hits the brain in a gentle explosion... ...and everything takes on the rosy hue of unlimited succes; you can do nothing wrong; life is beautiful...
James F. |
| Fogle |
Aug 21 2005, 11:07 AM
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![]() Bloomin' ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 214 Joined: 17-June 04 From: Utrecht, the Netherlands Member No.: 1,587 |
Part 3
Step 6, Set up a water bath, preferably with a thermostat, and evaporate most of the last water. With a fan over the liquid it should take about 12 hours to reduce the last one litre to about 500 ml’s. You can use a boiling water bath, because the evaporating water will cool you solution down (fan!). Make sure your bath does not boil dry! If you have a thermostat bath, set it to 85 °C. How dry? You don’t want a dry crust; we want something we can scoop like thick maple syrup. ![]() a water bath setup in beginning ![]() the same setup after about 12 hours Step 7, Fill jars half with the thick gooey extract and fill up with 80% alcohol. Shake a few minutes. Leave for a day and shake again. Now leave for a week or longer. Step 8, In time the alcohol and extract will have separated again, with a dark brown clear upper layer and a lighter murky bottom layer. Now we want the upper without any bottom silt. This can be done by decanting or better: use a big syringe. Keep the clear upper layer in a large bottle. ![]() the jar on the right has the product from step 6 mixed with 80% alcohol and shaken, the jar on the left was left alone for a week and has separated in an layer of raw Laudanum (top) and silt (bottom) ![]() siphoning the top layer of with a big syringe Step 9, Refill the jar, still half full with sediment, now with 40% (or 50%) alcohol. Shake, wait a day, shake, wait a week and separate like in step 8. ![]() adding alcohol to the silt ![]() separation has taken place, see that the silt has become lighter in colour because of denaturising of proteins Step 10, This is the same as step 9 but now with 20% alcohol. After siphoning of the last top layer, you can throw away the slurry. It should be depleted. The reason I go down on the % of alcohol is an economic one. This way the loss on alcohol in the final sediment layer is minimal. Dutch economics? Step 11, Mix the 80%, 40% and 20% extracts together. Now we have about 1.5 litres of dark brown liquid, which should contain the best part of 1 litre of 80% alcohol. All we have to do is add some flavour and dilute it in the end to 2 litres of 40% papaver liqueur. . Step 12 This is the best part: the flavouring. This is where we can make a difference. Like the difference between moonshine and a 10 year old single malt. Both do the job but they don’t taste the same, right? My personal favourite recipe is (for two litres): -20 grams of aniseed, -5 grams of star anise and -15 grams of fennel seed -200 grams of sugar and -350 grams of dextrose/glucose And a few other secret taste makers, which are a secret. So I am not gonna tell you! In the end it will have a real nice soft anis/liquorice taste to it and a hell of a punch! But don’t take my word, get your herbs and spices out and blend your own tasty Laudanum or if you take my final recipe: Laudrum Mollis. ![]() final product and one of the flavourings, as a finishing touch; make an old fashioned style label Other good active ingredients are: Ginkgo Biloba or Ma Huang both have a good synergy with the laudanum and they add nicely taste too. An other variation is to replace the “reclaimed rum” for Ouzo, Pernod or Pastis. You will need three bottles of 70cl though. But you spare yourself the trouble of reclaiming rum. And no need to make the final product to taste: the ouzo and raw laudanum taste good enough. This is when two of my hobbies meld and become one. Ah, how beautiful…. Darn, gotta keep off the stuff, this is too good. Be careful! Just a quick recap: 1) Simmer grinded poppy straw in water for a maximum of 30 minutes 2) Filter 3) Do step 1 and 2 a second time 4) Do step 1 and 2 a third time and combine filtrates 5) Boil of excess water quickly in small batches with a fan blowing over the surface 6) Evaporate the last bit of water with a water bath, direct heat would get too hot 7) Fill a jar half way with the extract, add alcohol, shake, wait a bit, shake, wait a week 8) Siphon of the top layer = raw laudanum/laudrum 9) Add fresh alcohol, shake, wait a bit, shake, wait a week for the second time and separate like in step 8 10) Add fresh alcohol, shake, wait a bit, shake, wait a week for the third time and separate like in step 8 11) Mix all the alcohol extracts together and dilute to about 40% 12) Bring to taste, make a nice label and you are READY! Get your vintage copy of DeQuincey´s Confessions out, and nod back to Victorian England! Many thanks to Ab Strak and Bogumil. Yours, Fogle ![]() End of part 3 -------------------- ...a warm itch that will surge along the spine until it hits the brain in a gentle explosion... ...and everything takes on the rosy hue of unlimited succes; you can do nothing wrong; life is beautiful...
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| ayed |
Aug 21 2005, 11:57 AM
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![]() fear is the mind-killer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 2,356 Joined: 25-October 03 Member No.: 1,539 |
like, WOW!
i'm sure you didn't use actual poppy straw in this hypothetical experiment, but i wanted to extend my compliments on both your recipie and your excellent illustration thereof. nice work! -------------------- Goddammit I've wasted too much, Goddammit I've waited too long. I've never been off of it as such, but Doc, I think my dosage is too strong, or I'm not strong enough.-- Paul Kotheimer |
| Fogle |
Aug 21 2005, 12:38 PM
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![]() Bloomin' ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 214 Joined: 17-June 04 From: Utrecht, the Netherlands Member No.: 1,587 |
Thanks Ayed, and yes your are right. I did forget the disclaimer, so here it is:
In the forgoing pictorial a non-morphine strain of Papaver Orientalis was used. This experiment was not even actually conducted by me, but by a distant family member whose picture collection was part of a recently acquired inheritance. (Thanks uncle Thomas r.i.p.). This post has been edited by Fogle: Aug 21 2005, 12:41 PM -------------------- ...a warm itch that will surge along the spine until it hits the brain in a gentle explosion... ...and everything takes on the rosy hue of unlimited succes; you can do nothing wrong; life is beautiful...
James F. |
| bogumil |
Aug 21 2005, 03:46 PM
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![]() Pillar of the Community ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 1,383 Joined: 4-December 02 Member No.: 254 |
Wow Fogle!
Im speechless. This is a totally cool step by step. You have to let me know what kind of digi cam you are using. Such a pictorial reads so much nicer than the boring procedures we find usually. This will become an internet no.1. I will definately try this one. Especially the sedimenting step is cool. LOL. I just saw the etiqettes on the last two pics. The second last one is almost a picture with the funnel in front of the bottle. Really cool. I raise my cup! This post has been edited by bogumil: Aug 21 2005, 03:48 PM |
| halogenated |
Aug 21 2005, 05:14 PM
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Gone to Pod ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 363 Joined: 6-February 03 Member No.: 1,183 |
Very nice step by step illustrated recipe. Very kewl bottle labeling.
Couple questions: first, why leave the straw so course? If straining thru a series of metal strainers and cloth it doesn't seem like such a big deal. Besides, if you had straw rendered to flour it shouldn't take but only two extractions. Second, why not use 50% alcohol, 50% water instead of water alone for extracting? As long as it was "simmered" away from open flame with ventilation there would be no need to mess with babysitting jars, would there? Nevertheless, very nice looking homemade Laudanum. |
| Fogle |
Aug 22 2005, 08:57 AM
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![]() Bloomin' ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 214 Joined: 17-June 04 From: Utrecht, the Netherlands Member No.: 1,587 |
Hi halo,
Well like I said in the recipe, this is just how this is done over here and there must be loads of other ways to do this. Although most things were thought through. For example: the coarseness of the straw. The limiting factor here is not the amount of poppies available (thanks to guerrilla farming, he he When the first experiments were conducted, a lot of poppies were wasted due to this. There is still some unfilterable mess in the freezer right now. Nor sure what you mean by using 50% w/w alcohol for the extraction. Like in step1? That would be a total of 8 litres of extraction fluid, i.e. 4 litres of pure alcohol. Maybe a bit too expensive? But if a cheap source of ethanol is found, I will try this for sure. The swelling of the starch won’t happen in 50% alcohol for example, so very fine poppy powder can be used. The same would be true for a cold water extraction ala Ab’s iceolater by the way. -------------------- ...a warm itch that will surge along the spine until it hits the brain in a gentle explosion... ...and everything takes on the rosy hue of unlimited succes; you can do nothing wrong; life is beautiful...
James F. |
| halogenated |
Aug 22 2005, 02:02 PM
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Gone to Pod ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 363 Joined: 6-February 03 Member No.: 1,183 |
Fogle
Yeah I was thinking abou just extracting straight away with cheap vodka maybe 40%, using flour, a couple times wouldn't hurt, then going from there. But you are right about two things, one is that ethanol ain't that cheap, and two is that there are several viable ways of doing this. In the end if it works and you know it then you have succeeded. Regards |
| bearmtn |
Aug 22 2005, 04:19 PM
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Gone to Pod ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 348 Joined: 18-June 04 Member No.: 1,588 |
Ah, Fogle the alchemist, turning straw into liquid gold! This is the type of thread that makes the Porg an educational resource. Keep up the good work!
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| bogumil |
Aug 22 2005, 11:41 PM
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Here some things I found out recently:
Poppy straw, no matter how fine filters great, when: a) extracted into isopropanol and then b ) filtered through a kitchen paper ("charmin-style") folded so that it fits in a coffee filter - holder. After that it can be filtered through the double layer of kitchen paper and then goes very easily through coffee filters, no matter what the pore-size is. The iso evaporates very fast at very low temperatures. 50C are enough. And it is very cheap, I paid maybe 4 EUR for 5L. I dont like drugs. |
| halogenated |
Aug 23 2005, 10:25 PM
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Gone to Pod ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Somniphiles Posts: 363 Joined: 6-February 03 Member No.: 1,183 |
Good point Bog. Alcohols are very thin and I have never had problems filtering with them.
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| ontario_poppyman |
Apr 4 2006, 05:29 AM
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Excellent Tutorial!!! I love seeing step by step pictures on this stuff it's just nice to see it. They do this type of thing on all the cannabis sites so why not do it here. It's very educational. It gives me good ideas. Thank you.
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| t3knology |
Apr 6 2006, 12:44 PM
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THis is an excellent tutorial. THank you very much.
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| pypass |
Apr 11 2006, 08:06 PM
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It's the most interesting way to have laudanum with pt,buty you have to be there...alway to chck up all the process...thanks that will done.
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